WBD298 Audio Transcription

Living on Bitcoin with Didi Taihuttu

Interview date: Tuesday 12th January

Note: the following is a transcription of my interview with Didi Taihuttu. I have reviewed the transcription but if you find any mistakes, please feel free to email me. You can listen to the original recording here.

In this interview, I talk to Didi Taihuttu, and we discuss his decision to sell everything and buy Bitcoin, how the family coped during the bear market and the pros and cons of living a nomad lifestyle.

“The moment you jump, you will never change back again. We had our doubts at the beginning as well, but we will never change back again.”

— Didi Taihuttu

Interview Transcription

Peter McCormack: Didi, my man, how are you?

Didi Taihuttu: I am very good, man.  Good morning!

Peter McCormack: Good to see you.  So, let me tell you what happened this week, right.  So, I'm on Twitter and I see this post.  Someone shared it or retweeted it and it's like, "I've got some spare USDT and which crypto shall I buy?"  And, I'm about to slam a, "Buy Bitcoin!", and I click on your profile and I'm like, "I know you".  I read about you like, I don't know what, three years ago?  You're that crazy fucker who basically sold all his stuff, his house, sold it for Bitcoin, went round the world with his family.  That's right?  Is it four kids you've got?

Didi Taihuttu: Three kids.  I know, my wife looks like a young woman as well, but it's my wife; really, it is.

Peter McCormack: And you look like the guy who plays base guitar from Metallica!

Didi Taihuttu: Yeah, I heard that story before!

Peter McCormack: But, that was you, right?

Didi Taihuttu: Yeah, that was us; that was us as a family.  Yeah, it's like already four years ago now that we started travelling the world and, yeah, it was a cool step that we went all into Bitcoin.  We sold everything we owned, our house, our companies, our cars, our bikes, our toys, my pension fund, my savings, my kids' savings, their clothes; literally everything.  And then, we went all into Bitcoin to just go live on an island, you know; simple life. 

But, it turned out to take another route.  A whole lot of danger started because the media bombed us as "The Bitcoin Family".  So yeah, then you get a new adventure, so then your plans change.

Peter McCormack: Well, I knew I was like, I've got to get you on to talk about this; got to get you on to talk about this, because it's such an amazing story.  It totally blew my mind.  It's the kind of thing, when you hear about it, you're like, "I want to do this; I really want to do this, but I don't have the bollocks!"

Right, we need to dig into this.  Give me the background.  Tell me what happened.  Tell me when you first started thinking about this.  Actually, let's go back a step; give me your Bitcoin story?

Didi Taihuttu: My Bitcoin story?  So, I was a young guy.  In my youth, I was focussed on playing football, so I played professional football in my youth.  Then I went to school, higher economics, and at school I discovered, wow, the world is not working like it should be working.  But, I need to find a job; you know, you want to buy a house, I want to a millionaire before I was 30; just a normal standard guy that was educated to accumulate wealth instead of happiness.  That's what the schools did in those years; you needed to become successful, you wanted to be rich, have a house and car.

So, when I was 24, my mother died; she was 48 years old.  She just collapsed and she was gone, and I couldn't face those feelings, I couldn't cope with the feelings, so I became a workaholic and I built my first, second and third companies.  And, in one of those companies, I had a guy who needed to do an internship from school.  He came and he was like, "What kind of subject you want to do?" and he was like, "Did you ever hear about Bitcoin?" and I said, "No, tell me".  That was in 2012.

So, he started to tell me about Bitcoin and I was like, "Wow, this is a revolution and I can also get filthy rich on it", because I still wanted to be very rich at that point in my life.  So, I said to the guy, "Let's do it; let's invest some money in mining equipment", and at the end of 2012, beginning of 2013, I started to mine Bitcoins.  I invested around $30,000 to $40,000 in Bitcoin mining equipment.  We started to build the machines and everything, you know, the motherboards, the graphic cards; and, that is how it started.

Then, it took 12 years and my companies were up and running really hard.  I had a lot of employees in the Netherlands and Malta and so I was on top of the world.  At that point, my father called me.  I was driving my Jeep Cherokee and he calls me and he's like, "Are you sitting?"  I'm like, "Yeah, dad".  He said, "I just came from the hospital.  I'm diagnosed with cancer; I have one more year to live".

Peter McCormack: Shit.

Didi Taihuttu: So, at that point, you feel on top of the world, you have all the money you want, and you get that message.  So, you know, I need to drive back to my dad and we hugged, we cried.  He was my hero; he was a professional football player as well and everything.  So for me, my life collapsed at that moment.

So, I hired some managers to run all the companies and I decided to live at home again with my father, so I took my family back to his basement.  We put beds there and we spent the whole last year with him together, you know; last Christmas, last Easter, last football match watching; all the last stuff you want to do with your dad when you know that he dies.

Then, in January 2016, he died.  And then, I needed to do the funeral and all that stuff, and I got a huge burnout because everything was too much.  I was running the companies, the funeral, all of a sudden, and that made me wake up.  And that was like, "Okay, am I going to live my full life just accumulating money, not spending time with my kids and my wife; or, am I going to change now?" and then I decided to change.  And, that's when we started to travel.

Peter McCormack: Wow.

Didi Taihuttu: Then, after three or four months' travelling, my friends from Holland called me and they were like, "Didi, do you still have your Bitcoins?"  I'm like, "Yeah, but you know, I'm on the beach in Bali drinking my Bacardi Coke, sunset, my kids are playing, I'm not going to touch a laptop anymore".  But they kept persuading, "Check your Bitcoins, check your Dogecoins", because I mined a lot of Dogecoins in 2013 as well.

Then we started to check the wallets in the evening and I was like, "Wow, this value has increased tremendously.  We can pay for all the four or five months we have been travelling with the profits", and I looked at my wife and I said, "I think I'm starting to believe in this revolution again".  And, that was the moment.

Then we decided, as a husband and wife, okay, we have been living this life with just a few backpacks, no luxury stuff, the last couple of months and we have never been so happy; we don't need all those cars, all those houses.  Why don't we just continue this lifestyle and lead by example for our kids, show our kids that living to accumulate happiness is more important than living to accumulate wealth?  And, that was the point that my wife agreed.

So, I still needed to convince her by selling my cars and everything online in Bali; so, I sold my Jeep, my cabriolet, because she was still, "Oh, you're very egoistic" and I was just this money guy.  And now, she was believing completely my story.  "Okay, I want to play on the beach every day".  So, I sold my cars and everything online and invested it in Bitcoin at the beginning of 2017 and then we just flew home.

We said, "Let's fly home, sell the house for Bitcoins, sell everything we own and continue to live this digital nomad life", and that's what we did.  We flew home, we sold the house for Bitcoins, partly for money; the money invested in Bitcoins.  We took the pension fund, savings, went all-in, and then we lived on a campsite.  And on the campsite, the media found out and they came to do all the interviews and then, bam, before you know it you're the Bitcoin Family and you get sucked into this complete adventure.

Peter McCormack: All right, listen; before we get into that, a couple of really important questions.  Okay, are you Portuguese?

Didi Taihuttu: No, I'm Dutch.

Peter McCormack: Oh, you're Dutch, okay, sorry.  You don't look Dutch in any way at all!

Didi Taihuttu: No.  My father is from Indonesia.  He's from the Maluku archipelago; that's an island group in Indonesia.  So, my father is from there, so my roots are Indonesian, and my mother was from Holland, so that's why I have the combination.  I'm a mix.

Peter McCormack: Okay, so are you an Ajax fan?

Didi Taihuttu: No, sorry!

Peter McCormack: Who's your team?

Didi Taihuttu: PSV for me and if we zoom out a little bit, then it's still Barcelona!

Peter McCormack: Oh, okay.  I've been to Barcelona; I've been to the Nou Camp.  I took my son there for, I think it was his eight birthday or tenth birthday, and we saw Messi score a hatrick, which was pretty cool.

Didi Taihuttu: Oh, that's so cool!

Peter McCormack: Yeah, it is!  What's the last game you got to see with your dad, do you remember?

Didi Taihuttu: The last game I went to see with my dad was a game with my brother.  My brother also played soccer, football, and we went watching a game with him.  And the last season that my dad still lived, we decided, my brother and I, to play together for a team and my father was the coach, because he asked us.  So, we were making also some money in the amateur league, but then we decided, okay, we'll go to the lower level and help our dad, and we became champion.

Peter McCormack: Oh, man, that's a great story.

Didi Taihuttu: Yeah, that was beautiful; last year of soccer for me.

Peter McCormack: Yeah, man.  Well, I'm sorry about that with your dad.  I don't know how much you know, but my mum passed away almost exactly a year after your father.  My mother passed away in January 2017 and that was a very pivotal time when my life changed as well.

Okay, first question is, how much convincing did it take with your wife to do this?

Didi Taihuttu: Not that much, because my wife was already very tired and sick of the materialistic life and the egoistic life, you know, that ego you always have in front of you; I am this guy and I am this women, and this life, we have all this stuff.  She was already sick of that and so, she really was into changing life, and that is how it all started; we just wanted to change life. 

We wanted to change from materialistic to minimalistic; from owning a house to a decentralised lifestyle where we can show our kids the world and we can educate our kids in a different way.  We didn't want to educate our kids in the schooling system that made us the materialistic parents.  We just saw this as not -- I had a million; I couldn't save my dad from Cancer.  Why wouldn't I have spent more time with him?  Why was I spending time to make money, money, money, and at the end, money is worth nothing.

So, it wasn't that difficult to convince her.  The difficulty was in the fact that when you have the bag of money, when you sell your house and everything, okay, it's a big step to go into Bitcoin.  And for her, Bitcoin was still the thing, and it started to do with mining, and I started to sell around the 2014 crash, because now we want to breakeven with our investment in 2014.  So for her, Bitcoin was still this, "Oh, yeah, it was history".  So, I needed to convince her that I still had the trust in the revolution.

Peter McCormack: Okay.  It wasn't all positive, the news, right?  I remember some people were criticising you at the time for making this decision.  There were people said, "This is crazy; people are going to risk everything they have".  Am I right?  I mean, I'm going based on memories from four years ago.

Didi Taihuttu: No, there was almost no positivity; it was almost only negative.  Everybody was like, "You're crazy".  It's also your family and friends.  They were all like, "Didi, you're a successful business man; what are you doing?"  I just felt it was right, you know; I just started to believe, like I'm wearing on my T-shirt, "Believe".  I just started to believe.  And, if you start to believe in the concept and in the belief in the fact that you can change the world because of the tool of Bitcoin and blockchain, and you have a passion of changing the world and making the world more honest, and helping poor people all over the world…

You know, we met so many people during our first couple of months of travelling in Indonesia and Vietnam, Cambodia, that didn't have access to the monetary system.  But, the combination of my knowledge, knowing that there was access possibility, those people not having access, and still being poor and standing in line for food, for me it was like, "Oh, wow, we can change the world.  This is the perfect tool to change the world".  I started to believe in it more and more and just start to try the world a little, bit by bit, I saw always.

Peter McCormack: So, if you did this in around, did you say it was December 2016?

Didi Taihuttu: We started to travel in, let's say, August 2016, so it would be December 2016, January 2017, yeah, that we started to go and sell everything.

Peter McCormack: Right, so Bitcoin --

Didi Taihuttu: Between $800 and $1,200 then.  That was when we started.

Peter McCormack: And, some of the practicalities, I don't want to know how much Bitcoin you've got, but is it the case that you always have kept everything in Bitcoin and you only ever transfer out what you need as and when you need it?

Didi Taihuttu: No, so we've already travelled now for four years without bank accounts and everything, so for us it became a game; how can we surpass the traditional banking system and while living on cryptocurrency.  So, for the last three years, we have been completely bankless and travelling all over the world with just cryptocurrencies; not only Bitcoin, but I also diversified in other cryptocurrencies.  I trade every day in all that stuff.  But still, we are trying to pay on a daily basis with Bitcoin.  The house we are renting in Portugal, it's paid with Bitcoin.

Peter McCormack: Okay, I'm going to have so many questions.

Didi Taihuttu: It was not easy at the beginning; it was terrible at the beginning.

Peter McCormack: But you find a way, okay?

Didi Taihuttu: Every time you find a way, because if you believe in something and you just invest time in educating other people in believing the same, then they will start to accept Bitcoin.  I'll give you a small example and if I talk too much, just say, because I always talk too much.

Peter McCormack: No, you tell me.

Didi Taihuttu: So, we arrived here in Lagos in Portugal.  I searched a house.  I find a house with Airbnb.  I contacted them; I sent them a private message.  I tell them, "Guys, I want to rent your house for three months, but I want to pay in Bitcoin".  The first thing is, they laugh, "What is Bitcoin; why you want to pay in Bitcoin?"  Then I send them an article about our family in their language.  Then they get curious.  His house, they invited us, we did a barbecue, I told them, "Okay, this is Bitcoin".  And at the end, I could pay the house in Bitcoin for three months; so, the house was settled. 

Then I go to the beach.  I walked to the beach bar, it's called Extreme Bar, a really small bar.  I drink my Bacardi and Coke when the sunset is there.  I tell the guy about Bitcoin; he gets curious.  He says, "Okay, how can you help me?"  I say, "I can help you by opening a wallet and I will pay my bill every day in Bitcoin and you will accumulate Bitcoins".  This guy does this; I pay my Bacardi Coke; I buy drinks on the bar in Bitcoin; the fish restaurant the same.

Sailing; I meet a guy on the beach that does sailing classes.  I tell him, "I want to pay in Bitcoin and I will do sailing classes".  It's more easy nowadays than it was then, because now everybody is in this crisis and everybody wants to make money.  I tell them, "Okay, I will spend money; I will spend Bitcoins", and then you just convince them and they like it, because the guy that I paid the sailing classes in Bitcoin, I've been paying Bacardi and Coke the last month in Bitcoin, they only saw their wallet value going up, so they start to understand it.

So, that is how we did it all over the world; we just rent a base and then around that base, we create Bitcoin adoption, and that's how we lived.

Peter McCormack: So, if you started in December 2016, January 2017, between $800 and $1,200, and you put everything into Bitcoin; and then over that year, Bitcoin went up to $20,000, you must have been thinking, "We've got a lot of runway of time here to do this", because that's one of the things.  But then, at the same time, we had a bear market that lasted, well, over two years. 

Did you have any doubts during that bear market?  Were you watching your net wealth in dollar value shrinking and thinking, "I'm not sure how this is going to work out", or were you confident all the way through?

Didi Taihuttu: To be honest, we had a different mindset.  We didn't even need to have confidence that it was all going through.  We had the confidence that we could live every month; we know what we need every month; we live day by day; we don't look in the future; I don't want to end up with savings of billions of dollars and then dying when I'm 60.  I spend the money now. 

Our goal is accumulating happiness, so a lot of the profits we made in 2017, we gave away to charity.  We are giving to charity every week.  I think more than 45% at the moment of our profits is already given to charity or invested in projects.  Last week, we gave Bitcoin, a little bit of Bitcoin, to kids in Venezuela.  They bought shoes, they bought food; and I made videos about it.  So, I always make videos when we give.

Two days ago, we gave an orphanage in Serbia some Bitcoins; so, we convinced them to accept Bitcoins.  We're helping an orphanage in India.  We're not in this game anymore to become millionaires, because we already experienced that and that didn't make us happy.  We live day by day.  I want to enjoy to the fullest every day because, before you know it, you get sucked into lockdown by a government that really centralised lockdown and you can't spend your money the way you thought you would spend in the future.  I'm not going to be the guy that saved until 65, you know.

Peter McCormack: All right, tell me what happened with the lockdown then and the coronavirus; where in the world were you, because I was travelling around at the time?  At the start of the year, I went out to South America and we'd just started to see, at the airports, people were wearing masks.  And then, I went out to Turkey to make a film about a week before we went into lockdown, and then I haven't travelled since; and I used to travel a lot.  So, what was happening for you around that time?

Didi Taihuttu: At that time, we were driving from Spain to Bulgaria, because we were driving into Turkey.  And at the moment we were driving from Spain to Bulgaria, this trip, we took a pause in Switzerland and then Austria and Slovenia.  My wife and I were discussing and we were reading the news and something just felt off.

We started a tour to drive around the world with a Bitcoin van, but something just was not right; we just felt it.  And, when we arrived in Bulgaria, Bulgaria was already doing a lockdown because of the flu; they didn't even know COVID, but it was a flu.  And, we just decided, okay, let's park the car here, let's fly to Thailand to a beautiful island, because I had been working a lot again and needed to have some family time together, so we flew to Thailand to Koh Phangan, because we were building a digital coworking and coliving space already there for a couple of years, and we flew there. 

When we arrived in Thailand two days later, the lockdown appeared all over Europe and we were like, "What?"  So, we were in Thailand for five months, January to May, on a beautiful tropical island that didn't experience any lockdown.  Of course, for two weeks, stores were not opening completely and restaurants, but that was it.  So, we were living in a bubble.  We didn't experience the whole COVID fear, and we were just living a beautiful island life in Thailand.

After that, in May, we flew home, because one of the kids said, "We want to go to Europe, to grandpa, grandma, to my brother and my sister", and I was like, "No, you've seen what is going on.  We are not going to fly to Europe; they are all afraid of the flu.  And then my daughter said, "But dad, you taught me to never live in fear, and if we don't live in fear we'll never fear a flu.  So, let's go to Europe and let's see what happens and let's make a new adventure.  And that's what we did.

Then, we arrived in Europe in May and we were like really in shock.  That is when we felt the fear of the people; we saw, "Wow, these people have to stand in lines".  In Holland, you had those green and red and blue lines on the street, and squares and circles; people need to wait.  For us it was like, "What is going on?"  So we escaped Holland very quickly to Spain.  We came in Spain and people were living even more in fear and we couldn't cope with that. 

We, as a family, we always choose freedom above everything.  I'm not going to wear a facemask because I don't believe that I will die of a flu.  Yes, some people will die, but people will always die of flu, and people will always get born as well.  So, that is when we had a new plan.  I basically told my wife, "Okay, I'm going to buy a Jeep.  Let's buy a Land Rover, let's do a cool tour to Portugal, because Portugal's very open-minded and not so closing down on everything", and that's where we are now.  We took a white Land Rover.  We rented it fully in Bitcoin and we are travelling through Portugal, and we just go with the flow, Peter.

So, I am not affected by the flu, because I always see it as a positive thing.  It has shown the world that home schooling is perfect; it has shown the world that centralised institutes are not always thinking good and that you should take power back to you when it comes to finance, house, everything.  So, for me, the glass is always half full.

Peter McCormack: Okay, man, all right.  Convince me to do what you're doing because right now, I'm watching this, I'm listening to you and thinking, "I want to do this".  I kind of did something similar-ish before the lockdowns.  I used to travel a lot with the show.  I used to travel South America and America, have all the freedom with that, but it was still kind of work.  But then, I would come home for a few weeks with the kids, but part of me is thinking I just want to go a bit more nomadic now.  Convince me, man.  I'm probably already convinced, but convince me anyway!

Didi Taihuttu: I don't need to convince you, because you are one of the big people in this industry; you have a very beautiful financial mindset; and you know that we cannot continue this world like the way we did.  This monetary system is going to break down no matter what, in some kind of way.  And yes, they will be able to save it with creating digital currencies all over the world; the central banks' euro and the central banks' yuan and the dollar.  But, in the end, they need to agree that Bitcoin is going to be more popular as a store of value, and will eventually also evolve to be a peer-2-peer cash; or maybe have a hard fork that will evolve to the peer-2-peer cash.

For me, the important thing that I think that people need to realise is, what is it in the people's mind that they think, when they own a house, that they really own that house?  Nobody owns that house; the bank is owning your house.  The moment you put money on your bank, the bank is owning your money.  You are borrowing your money through the bank. 

So why would you use an institute that makes money off you and also, has the ability to claim all the money; like what happened in Greece, like what happened in Cyprus, like in 2009 and 2013, they just froze the bank accounts because they needed to save the economy.  You work really hard for their money and then they have the ability to freeze it.

So, I think it's the same with the house.  The house is a project.  If you own it, you think you own it, but you're paying 30 years for it.  But, the moment you can convince me that you're really the owner of this house, maybe then I'll buy a house again.  But, how far is a house really yours if the government still has the last vote to tell you you need to stay in this house; you're in lockdown; you cannot come out of your house?  Or, when you do something illegal in your house, they can just lock the doors for a year? 

It's not your house, so why even bother to own something like this when we have this beautiful world of decentralised options that you don't need to own anything.  Airbnb, you can own everything anywhere in the world when you want for a certain period of time.  If you get sick of it, you go to the next one.  The whole lending industry, the whole sharing economy, this is the future; decentralised lifestyle is the future. 

We were nomadic people all our lives; we just went to live in cities because there was created a mass industry around centralising businesses in cities and attracts people to the cities so they had jobs.  Jobs are now massively being disconnected from cities again; you can do jobs from anywhere.  The flu has shown us now that we are more productive than ever by working at home.  So, we are slowly evolving back again, just like a cycle, just like every stock has a cycle, every product has a cycle. 

We were nomadic, we became fixed to a city and we are becoming nomadic again.  And afterwards, we will probably evolve again to people fixed in cities.  It's a trend and why swim against the stream when you can just go with the stream?  It's all possible nowadays; it's not difficult anymore to live a digital nomad lifestyle, you know.  I can turn the screen; you can see the sea view, my pool, my Jacuzzi.  This house is costing less than any house I had all over the world in mortgage.

Peter McCormack: All right.  Let me talk to you about the kids.  Some of it you may say is none of my business, but it's just because I've got kids as well.  How old are the kids; is it two girls and a boy, I can't remember?

Didi Taihuttu: Three girls: 15, 13 and 10 years old.

Peter McCormack: You've got three girls?  Bless you, man.

Didi Taihuttu: Yeah, I'm blessed!

Peter McCormack: Jesus, man; I've got one.  I love her, but it's tough, man!

Didi Taihuttu: It is.  I think the one up there didn't understand me.  I always wished for a harem, but I meant another harem, you know!

Peter McCormack: All right, so you've got three girls.  Okay, so my first two questions are, what are the good things for the girls in going through this; but also, are there any negatives of this experience in terms of maybe not being settled and having, say, consistent social groups of friends?

Didi Taihuttu: Yeah, of course, there are negative and positive things.  The positive part is that they learn by the parents doing it, by leading by example.  Like, for example, you can tell your kid the story about an elephant, every time again and again, and it looks like this and it smells like this.  Your kids won't really believe it until they really smell this elephant, until they really touch this elephant, they really feed or watch an elephant. 

So, that's the same with life.  You can tell them how to live life, but if you, as parents, live a completely different life, they will not follow.  You can tell them it's bad to have a telephone every time, every day, six hours a day playing games; but if you, as a father, already own a telephone, what kind of example are you giving to the kids?  So, they will just follow your example, and I think that's the most positive part; we led by example to show our kids that you can take a turn in your life, to the left or to the right, it doesn't matter.  If you feel it's good, it will be good and it will end up good.

So, we teach them to not live in fear, not choose your life or your things because of fear, but choose everything because of passion, because you want something, because it makes you happy.  You have two options: you can choose one because it makes you happy, or you choose that one because the other one makes you afraid.  Choose the one that makes you happy.

So, that is the positive part.  And, of course, they see the world.  We educate them, home school them with an online school help.  There are too many positive things to just talk about now, because I think it's clear, so let's talk about the negative parts, because people mostly ask me what are the negative parts.

The negative parts should be that their social contacts are less than when they go a normal school, or when they live in an area where they build friendships, but I experience this differently; because I travel and I visit families that live the normal life, and those kids are also just sitting inside.  They don't go outside to play football, they don't meet friends anymore outside; they just sit inside with their telephone or their iPad.  They play games, but they live a virtual life, while they could live a normal life.

My kids, we do live a normal life, but they live this virtual life as well online, you know, with all the people all over the world they meet; plus, they meet people outside because we focus on being outside.  So, I think that would be the only negative part, you know, that it should be less social for them; but, I experience differently, you know.

Every time when we go back to Holland to visit our old friends and family, I experience it that the kids there don't go outside, Peter; they are inside, they are playing games, they are doing nothing.  They live in virtual worlds; that's the future.  So, why then stay at home; just travel?

Peter McCormack: You see, when I was travelling with work, if was in South America or Asia, yeah, I would at some points be stuck in the hotel, doing an interview or prepping for an interview or getting the show live.  But then, I'd be out and I'd be seeing the city I'm in, whether it was Bogota or Santiago, or when I was in Hong Kong or Estonia; but, it's an entirely different life.  And, it's a really weird thing, right; I'll happily share this on here. 

I went through a really rough time a few years ago, right, when my family broke up.  I used to suffer really badly with anxiety and depression and it was just a really shit time, and I kind of somehow manifested this life to travel with the show.  I made myself travel.  I didn't have to; I made myself.  And, what used to happen, whenever I had a flight out of London, which would be every six weeks out, every three weeks back, that morning I would feel great.  My suitcase was packed; I'd drive all the way to the airport; I'd be in such a good mood.  Wherever I was catching a flight to, wherever it was.

I remember catching a flight out to, say, Argentina, because I was heading to Uruguay.  I'd just be in such a happy place.  And all that would happen is, while I was away, I'd just end up missing my kids.  So, I'd get back -- the trip would get towards the end and I'd be sad, but I'd get back to my kids.  But, once I got back, I was tired, I had to put the bins out, I had to make dinner, I had to sort the garden out, and then I'd want to get away again.  So, I've kind of lived half of what you're doing, but I haven't had it with the kids.  It was the kids that always brought it back.

But, I would never have that anxiety or depression or bullshit when I was away; it just never happened.

Didi Taihuttu: And that is exactly, I think, the key.  If people won't do it with the kids, or are afraid of when the kids don't go to school they won't succeed, because that is the mindset; it was just thrown into us while we grew up: you need to have education, you need to have certificates and all that shit.  While, all the people I have met all over the world, Peter; the most successful people, they didn't have any certificates, they just lived life and followed this passions.

Peter McCormack: I haven't got any certificates.

Didi Taihuttu: I have one, but I don't use it, so why would I put my kids in that?  And, kids do the same.  If you get stuck in a place, they start to run the hamster wheel and they start to repeat every day again: breakfast, school, come home, go to sports, watch Netflix, go to bed; they get stuck.  They don't want to experience new things, because the world is always the same.  The moment you take your kids to Bangkok or to Jakarta, or to whatever city in the world, they get energy because they are like, "Wow, this is beautiful!  I want to go there and I want to go there", and that's when they live to their fullest again.

Peter McCormack: Is there any kind of structured education you're giving the children?  Do you sit them down and teach them maths or English, or are you just giving them a life education whereby you just take them to places and see things?

Didi Taihuttu: The first two years, we didn't have any structure; we just let it completely free; what we called "non-schooling".  It was really beautiful to see, because my youngest kid has never been going to school and she can read and she can write.  She taught herself with her sisters and everything.  Then, after two years, the oldest one became 14 and she had questions that I couldn't answer.

So, we found this online school, a really cool one.  It's called Galileo, and they are backed up by a private institute in the United States, so you can get a certificate if you want.  And, they zoom call everything for 30 minutes.  And every day, 30 minutes they check in on a zoom call with kids all over the world, in the same time zone; you have many classes.  And, they talk about what they want to learn.

My daughter wanted to learn about the planets and why it is so special that Saturn is connecting now with whatever.  And then, the teacher takes them by the hand every day again, and they zoom call, and they say, "Okay, what did you do today?  Did you do mathematics?  What do you want to learn?  Maybe you can use this tool, or maybe you can use this app", and that is how they have a certain structure and every morning getting up and doing a little bit of schooling classically online.  And then, the rest of the day, they just live, and you learn so much.  And they want to learn now, because there's no pressure.  There's no pressure; nothing.

Then, you get these strange questions and then you tell them, "Okay, let's together look at this question.  I don't know why these planets are meeting once in 800 years, so let's Google it, or let's watch a documentary.  You want to know about the Law of Attraction?  Okay, we will watch The Secret for a start.  Then, do you want to know about manifesting, because you heard about this?  Okay, let's search a YouTube channel and educate ourselves of manifesting".  And then they try it.

Then they have also time to try it, because you have a travel life; you don't put pressure on them.  You don't need to go to school all day, homework and all that stuff, so they have time to look inside, find their passion and try to manifest what they want.  You know, tell me, how would a kid be able to manifest if his whole day is structured in school, sports, you know, how a normal life works?  Kids don't have time anymore, so how can you teach them then to focus on really what they want; not what they need to do, but what they want.  I think that's very important.

Peter McCormack: You know what, it's funny.  I'll tell you another reason it's tempting is that schooling's worked out very differently for both my children.  My daughter loves it; very focussed.  She comes home from school, she does her homework, wants to be in school.  My son's very different; he's a really creative soul, like beautiful drawings, loves film, loves acting, but the structure of a school is really kind of suffocating for him.  He doesn't like the structure, he doesn't like the rules, he doesn't like the to-do lists of what he has to do on certain things; he's just a creative child. 

I just feel like school just doesn't work for him and I think he needs that kind of freedom, that kind of way to go and express himself with no rules, because I think that's where the beauty of what he can create comes out of him.  Like I say, he doesn't ever want to do his homework.  I'm always like, "Have you done your homework?"  "No". 

But, every now and again, he'll do something like, I don't know, like a mirror.  We were about to throw a mirror out, right, when we did up our house.  We just had this old mirror.  He just takes it in the garden, he gets a spray can, he sprays it black and he starts to etch a design into the mirror and it's beautiful; and, that just came out of nowhere for him.  And, I feel like he needs that freedom for that kind of environment.  He's never going to sit in a cubicle and process data and have a job; it's not going to work for him; it's not the life for him.

But, I think we've got this schooling structure at the moment that is really designed for one thing: it's to teach kids to memorise facts, yet we've given them a supercomputer that they keep in their pocket, because we have to have them hit certain targets.  And they do, don't get me wrong, they do have some creative freedom.  He does art at school; he does drama; but generally speaking, you need these grades, therefore you need to do these tests.  But actually, it's a complete waste.  Like, I feel like his entire education's been a waste.

My daughter's different; it suits her.  She's focussed and structured.  We seem to have schooling systems set up, like the government-run schooling system; it appears to be set up for one type of kid, kind of.  I know other people will go, "No, it isn't", but generally speaking whereby, if you want this more kind of creative education, you have to go and seek out more creative schools.  They tend to be independent and private, looked on sometimes as a bit weird.

You know, some people will think what you're doing is weird, yet I bet on every measure, you, as a family, are infinitely happier than dad who's leaving at 7.00 in the morning for work, coming back at 7.00 at night, tired.  Kids are sat there on their iPhones, everyone in front of the TV.

Didi Taihuttu: You know what it is, I always say we want to prepare our kids for the future, I don't want to prepare kids for the past; and, that's what the schools are doing.  They're only preparing kids for the past, because they teach them by memorising the past.  This is not education.  Kids grow up and you need to prepare them for what is to come. 

The world is going decentralised.  Blockchain, crypto and Bitcoin are changing the whole monetary system.  Why are you still educating them to do centralised jobs?  These jobs won't be available in five to ten years' time.  Your kids need other abilities to do jobs in this new world that we are building as a community.  We are changing this world and so, why support these schools that are not embracing this new world.  They are still memorising the Second World War.  Why put that negativity in my child's brain?

Even then, I understand that some kids need it, but then let it free and give the people, the parents, the freedom to have some kids go to school and some kids focus on their passion, because we also need people with passion; we also need people with handicraft; we don't need only people that have brains to be a doctor, you know?  Who says that we will even need doctors in the future?  In Holland, they all want to become a doctor.  Yeah, that's really nice.  AI and Elon Musk, together they will create something that will do all the operations in the future with bots; we don't need to use doctors anymore!

We are living in a digital time.  We are changing so fast.  What the internet did for us, for you and me, Peter, you know, we didn't have an iPhone, we didn't watch videos.  We watched Back to the Future; we thought that it would never be possible to be on a skateboard and flying!  The internet changed everything in our lives and now, blockchain is going to change everything for this generation, completely; everything.  It's going to be the biggest, social, economic shift we will ever see.

Peter McCormack: I had this conversation with my kids last night, okay, I told them two things.  I was doing that typical dad thing, "In my day…"  I was explaining to them that Christmas, when I was a kid at Christmas, we didn't have Netflix, we didn't have on-demand TV; there were four TV channels.  And, what used to happen at Christmas, you would always get something called The Radio Times, which was the TV guide, even though it was called The Radio Times, a TV guide coming up for Christmas, and you would look every day and you would see what films were on. 

And, you would see all the new releases like, "Right, Christmas Eve, they're showing the latest Bond!", or, "Boxing Day, they're showing Indiana Jones!" and you would all sit down and watch those films because it was a treat.  Whereas, my kids don't give a shit because they're like, if they want to watch a film, they can just go and pay £3 and have it immediately.

I also explained to them this concept, and I've talked about this on the podcast before; when you used to go and meet somebody, you had to be on time.  If you said, "I'll meet you in town at such and such a shop"; if you weren't on time, they had no way of getting hold of you.  But now, you can be late, because you can just text them and say, "I'm going to be 15 minutes late [or] I'll be 20 minutes late", and you can say, "All right, great.  I'll go and grab a coffee.  Meet me here".  You couldn't do that before; you had to be on time.  It's just all changed so much.

Didi Taihuttu: Yeah, and it's going to change more and more.  You know, I met people who make a living out of creating virtual goods, or NFTs.  These guys design jackets and shoes and tables; these guys make more than a doctor in the Netherlands.  Why; because they offer us to use their skills for the future.  And, I think that is important and that is what we should do with our kids as well. 

The world is changing so fast, there will be tons of new opportunities that you can combine digital normal lifestyle, like us with a laptop, and create virtual shirts.  We all know that the world's lonely and we don't like it, or at least, sorry, I don't like it, that the world's gone this kind of virtual and these kids live in these virtual worlds completely.  They meet kids all over there and they do their games; it's all virtual and you can also see this shift, you know; you can see. 

When we were young, we needed to have the newest Nikes, because then you belonged to a group.  You need to have the newest tracksuit, because you belonged to a group.  Now, the kids don't care about these Nikes anymore; they care about their online presence; they care about the Nikes that their avatar is wearing.  We are seeing this shift of people that are spending more money on their avatar than on their physical appearance. 

So, there is so much stuff, I think, going to change because of the blockchain and the Bitcoin that we can't even predict at the moment how big this change will be.  We can only do our best to prepare our kids to, you know, have a happy life with this change.

Peter McCormack: Shit, man, I want to do this; I've got a lot to think about.  I want to do this.  Okay, so if I want to do this, talk me through how I do it.  What are the things I have to think about?  Like, if I said, "Right, I'm doing this.  Fuck it, school isn't working for my son.  I'm going to take him out and we're just going to live this lifestyle", what do I need to prepare; what are the things I need to do?

Didi Taihuttu: Oh, that's very difficult.  It depends on every country because in the Netherlands, it's illegal what we do.  A kid needs to go to school.  In the Netherlands, you don't have the option of private schooling.  You're not allowed to take kids out of school and you can only choose for the government schools; private schools do not exist.  So, I don't know how the rules are in the UK or the US, wherever in the world; every country has its own rules. 

So, the only solution to not be depressed by these rules is just to disconnect from the system.  And, disconnecting from the system is that you sell literally everything you own, you live a decentralised lifestyle with Bitcoins; or, maybe a little bit fiat if you don't trust Bitcoin all the way; and you just start to live life without owning stuff, and without having laws that tell you you need to put your kid into school, because you don't live in the UK.  In London, there is no rule that tells you anymore, okay, the kids need to be in school in London, because you're travelling, you know; and, that's the first step. 

But, it's fear, Peter, it's always fear.  It's like, compared with a bungee jump, I know that tomorrow you are going to bungee jump, so today you are already feeling excited and a little bit of fear like, "What's going to happen?"  And then, the day after, you go to the bungee jump location, you need to climb the ladder, you shit your pants three times because you are doing something completely new and you need to depend on this cord, on something that you never depend on before, that you could trust; and then, you're on the highest platform.  You need to jump; you're still afraid; you shit your pants again, because it's just a thin cord, you have never experienced it, you don't know if this is going to save your life or not; and this guy pushes you.

You jump and you experience freedom.  You have this, "Wow, this is amazing; I want to do it again!" and then again and again.  That is the same with changing life.  It is so scary; it is so unknown because you don't know what is going to happen if you don't own a house, if you don't own a car.  Even if you know you can rent houses all over the world; even if you know you can rent cars all over the world; you're still afraid for this thing, because you never experienced it before.

The moment you jump, you will never change back again.  You know, we had our doubts at the beginning as well, but we will never change back again, never, because it's not necessary anymore.  It's not necessary to own all that stuff; it's necessary you have a roof above your head, you have food.

Peter McCormack: All right, so okay, listen; let's talk about the practical steps.  Forget about what the government thinks.  I could imagine if I did this, I wouldn't sell my house straightaway; I would need to leave my base here first while I try it.  That would probably be the first thing; I would leave that.  But, the practical steps in terms of, say I'm going to go and try this for six months and I'm going to live on Bitcoin and I'm going to travel like a nomad, what are the things that I need to think about, be prepared for?

Didi Taihuttu: Nothing.  It's become so easy.  You know, I think you said it right over there.  You try it first.  You keep your house, lease it or rent it out for the six months and just try it.  And, if you don't enjoy this life, you can always turn back to your house, you know, whatever you want.  So, you can always try it.

We started like this, "Let's do it for three months; let's travel the world for three months".  Three months became seven, became one year, became four years.  The practical step is, compare it to your holiday.  What kind of practical step do you take when you go for your two-week holiday in Ibiza?

Peter McCormack: Oh, man.

Didi Taihuttu: Nothing.  You book a ticket, you fly to Ibiza and you stay there.  I will give you the best advice I want to give you if you want to try it, Peter.  Decide to do it, fly to Portugal, we spend two beautiful weeks here together as families, and you will experience it.  And then, while we have fun, maybe create cool content about Bitcoin for the industry, and you can see how not difficult it is.

People always think too much.  People are like, when you are in the UK, you feel safe to buy a train ticket.  Okay, I'm going to buy a train ticket from London to Glasgow, because I know how it works.  And then people think, when they fly to Bangkok, that they can't do the same there; that they can't buy a train ticket and go to the next town.  Peter, it's not that difficult.  I've just seen this app, Book A Car, and the car is here in three minutes; it's called Uber, you know!  It's all possible.

Peter McCormack: Listen, man, I'll tell you what.  Last summer, we went out to Cambodia and Vietnam, right, three weeks, me and the kids.  Because I'd worked so much, I was like, "We're going to go and have a big holiday".  And our plan was, we went to, oh, what's the place where the temples are in Cambodia?

Didi Taihuttu: Angkor Wat.

Peter McCormack: Yeah, Angkor Wat.  Yeah, amazing.  And, we were going to go after that to Phnom Penh, but we didn't have anything booked after Angkor Wat.  We just booked our flights out to Cambodia via Thailand and that's the only thing we had booked.  And, I met a guy in Angkor Wat and he said, "Don't go to Phnom Penh, it's a dump".   He said, "Look, you might find the Killing Fields interesting, it's a bit depressing for your kids, it's just not a nice place.  He's like, "Just go and do the coast of Vietnam", so we were like, "All right". 

So, we did that and we booked, and we just made it up as we went, for three weeks.  We had the best time, just the best time.  Sometimes we'd stop somewhere and stay for three days; sometimes we'd stay and day and went, "Let's move on".  And, the journey home, the funny thing is, we actually nearly missed our flight home and at the time I was like, "I wish we had.  I wish we had and just didn't go back", and we came back and everything just went back to normal. 

But honestly, that three weeks is still my favourite three weeks of my life; we just had a great time.  I could still work, because I had my microphones with me, I had my laptop, I could still make my podcasts, I could still earn money; but, we were just living this total free life.  Oh God, I'm just, man, you know what's going through my head.

Didi Taihuttu: But that is exactly how it feels if you just continue it.  It will stay like that; it's not difficult.  I will be completely honest.  We live on a monthly cost of a maximum of €3,000 a month.  That's our limit; we don't spend more; but we travel all the world and we live in the most beautiful -- if I showed you this house, we have a four-bedroom house with four bathrooms, a pool, a Jacuzzi and on the sea.  And, we still don't spend more than €3,000 a month as a family of five.  And we travel the world, all over the world like this.

What you will experience, those couple of weeks, we were there as well.  We visited Angkor Wat, Cambodia and Vietnam.  And sometimes, your kids will say, "Oh, we're travelling too much" and then we say, as parents, "Okay, we'll rent a house for three months in Portugal with a Jacuzzi where we will celebrate in Christmas, so you know we will tone it down".  We slow travel a little bit and then we stay here three months.

Then, after three months, the kids will be, "Okay, now we need a little bit more adventure".  "Okay, we will drive the car through the hills to South of France, to Switzerland; we will make some cool stops and we can do whatever".  And that's how we mix.

I need to be honest; in the bearish time, when Bitcoin went down in 2018, we almost solely lived on campsites because we didn't want to spend Bitcoins.  So, it became expensive for us.  So, we just got a little bit more minimalistic, but people see this as negative, "Oh, then you lived on a campsite, minimalistic"; and I, and as a family, I just gave them the mindset, "Let's see it as positive.  It will be a real cool adventure to live on a campsite, to go hiking, to do all the stuff outside, to be cold in a camper; it's an adventure.  It's not bad; it's good.  Let's try it", and that's how we survived the whole bearish time, just staying in cheap places.  But, it was one of the most beautiful times.

Peter McCormack: Oh, man, do you know what it's like?  It's like if you go on -- I shouldn't have Instagram; yeah, yeah, I know it's bad.  But, if you go on your Instagram, whenever I flick through it, I'm always smiling when I see my holiday photos, right; our time in Cambodia, Vietnam; all the time when we spent time in Thailand.  We went up to Pai; do you know Pai in Thailand?

Didi Taihuttu: Yeah, I love Pai, in the north.  It's a beautiful, relaxed city, yeah.

Peter McCormack: I love Pai, yeah.  We drove up to Pai and then drove up to the Burma border with Mae Hong Son, and we just had such a great time.  And when I flick through my photos, I'm looking through my photos and that's when I'm like, oh, we had such a great time.  I'm thinking, what you're doing is you're doing that permanently; you're literally living that Instagram life permanently?!

Didi Taihuttu: Yeah.  You know what; we have also lived the other life and we really got sick of that other life.  And I think we are going through a spiritual, but also like physical, through a huge shift at the moment.  I think the world is changing very fast, and I think people are waking up also very fast.  So, I think that we will experience more and more people starting to live this life, because they now all have experience that by accumulating all the wealth they have, they can still be locked up in their wealth. 

Then, when they are locked up in their houses, they start to complain about their freedom.  "Why can't we go out now?"  You worked your whole damned lives to buy this big house and all those cars; now they force you to stay in your house and you're not happy.  If this doesn't wake you up that that was the wrong goal in life to buy that huge house, because now you're forced to be in it and you're still not happy, then I don't know any more what needs to wake up to people.  

So for me, this is a huge shift and people, I think, will all experience the same.  And I'd say the same Peter; if now Portugal would say you get a lockdown, you need to wear a face mask; perfect.  I'd end the term of this house and fly to Mexico and continue my life there.  That is the power or the freedom of a decentralised Bitcoin nomad life.  You live where you want to live when you want to live, how you want to live, just the same as Bitcoin.  You spend how much you want, how you want, to who you want.

Peter McCormack: What about security and safety, because that's one issue.  You're the Bitcoin family, people know where you are, perhaps they see you as a target; is there anything about that you have to think about?

Didi Taihuttu: No, never.  You know what it is?  70% of my hardware wallets, we don't have them on us.  I trust Bitcoin so much, we have them hidden in the safest safes all over the world.  And, I don't even have that on me.  If they want to take me, they can take the 30%.  Then, if they are happy by having the 30%, then take it.  But we just decided as a family that we will never live in fear.

I want to support this revolution to the fullest, so I can do one thing, or I can do the same as all these other Bitcoin billionaires that hide and that don't go out and don't reach mass media.  Or, if I want to support it, I need to be in the mass media, and I need to raise the Bitcoin family brand to the fullest so I can reach everybody out there to educate them on this huge shift we are going through, and these tools that are now changing the world for all those people that are not connecting to the banking system.

But we, as a family, chose for a second one.  We tried to do the first one.  We went to Thailand, we went on a small island, this Russian guy came to me, "Are you this guy from the Bitcoin family?"  I said, "Yes"; he made a selfie and two days later, a big television programme show comes and makes a documentary.  So, we just said as a family, "We cannot deny it anymore; we cannot hide it.  Let's go with the flow, let's just not live in fear".

We share a lot of our wealth, every time.  Again, we are not billionaires, or huge millionaires; we give away.  The giving makes us even more happy and makes life even more adventurous.  Check my videos.  In Thailand, we left, we gave away 6,000 meals to Burmese people; we bought them sewing machines to convert all the rice bags into wallets and bags so they can make money during this COVID world.  That is an adventure, it makes us happy and we lose Bitcoins because of it.  We don't care.

If you truly believe in Bitcoin, truly believe in Bitcoin, let's take it like this.  If you truly believe in Bitcoin going to $50k, $100k, $200k, because the whole institutional world will treat it as a new digital gold, the gold of the 21st century; if we would believe this, that would make it very easy for you to understand if you only keep 1 Bitcoin left in the next three or four years, you would always again be able to change back to the life you were living, because that 1 Bitcoin in three years' time will be $200k or $300k.  But then, at least you lived three years of your life a complete cool life off those other 4 Bitcoins, let's say like this.

I don't understand why people just don't get it.  Let's say you have 5 Bitcoins; that's $100k at the moment.  You use 4 Bitcoins; that's $80k to live the next two years, because $3k is $36k a year and $72k for two years' living of Bitcoin.  So, you spent 4 of your Bitcoins and you keep 1 Bitcoin left, because you believe in Bitcoin; you know that Bitcoin will go to $50k, $100k.  You end up with $100k again after four years.  We just truly believe in it, and that made the life possible for us.

Peter McCormack: Yeah, man.  Can you tell me of any specific experiences you have had on this journey that have really stood out and you're like, "I know we're doing the right thing", like anything at all?

Didi Taihuttu: It's every time, again, every time that I see my kids on the beach, that I see them enjoying this life, us being happy; them evolving or flourishing to a beautiful flower as a kid, makes me happy.  I have seen the kids in the Netherlands that come home from school that are not happy, or depressed.  13.6% of the children below 13 years old in the Netherlands have burnt out.  This is the most beautiful thing of everything that I see every day.

If you ask me, okay, what is the most beautiful thing?  It's, when I walk with my kids, Joli joins me on my YouTube videos every day.  I make a daily YouTube video, because it's my passion.  Plus, I want to show Joli you can make money out of just doing what you like.  And they were like, "You're too old!  You're 42 years old; you cannot be a YouTuber!"  We had 1,000 followers subscribe.

Peter McCormack: Same age as me.

Didi Taihuttu: So, I told me kids, "Okay, you don't think I can do it?"  And I started in Thailand, because I was bored during the lockdown; I started to walk the beach every day making a video, and we grew now to 15,000 subscribers; we monetise the channel; we make money; and I show my kids, "Look.  Only six months of my life to create a YouTube channel that makes money now.  You can do the same".  Never think it is not possible; always think it is possible.  And, these are the things that I love of this life for the kids.

Now, we are sharing all the YouTube profits with charity; all the profits we make with YouTube, we give away to charities, or we do donations, and all sorts, and that makes the kids again happy, so we lead by example there.  So, yeah, sorry, I always talk so much and I forget then again the question!

Peter McCormack: No, it's good.  It's not that it doesn't matter; this is good, I mean it's such good stuff.  It's really poignant right now.  I'm going to try and get out to Portugal so we can hang out, because I'm not going to share why it's poignant right now, but there's some stuff going on which just makes me think, certainly with my children, what you're saying makes so much sense, compared to what we're going through right now.

This lockdown has been very, very oppressive on us.  It's had a real impact on the children.  They're not living a life right now.  We'll leave and we'll go for a walk or something, but they're not really living a life outside of these four walls, and for what?  Everything points towards shit.

Didi Taihuttu: Yeah, but I will be completely honest.  I am very positive always and of course, as a travelling family, you also have negative ties.  Also, my kids are pubers.  Also, they want to stay outside sometimes when the sun is shining.  But, if you have the ability to live life all year around on beaches, then you get sick of the beaches as well and then the kids want to live inside.  So, it's a very -- you just learn to play with it.

You stay a family with ups and downs, but it makes it more easy if you have the opportunity to experience new things, because then you have less doubts and it becomes less and less and less.  And your kids, they will need to change life as well.  If you change it, it will take some time for them to get used to this lifestyle and to understand the new way of living, but as soon as they find their passion, you know…

Let's say your kid wants to learn surfing, you surf in Portugal, you go to wherever in the world, and he can always do his passion; he will always be happy with his passion.  Then of course, there will be some doubts that he will be like, "Oh, I wish we never left the UK".  My kids say that also, "I wish we'd never left the Netherlands", and then I just talk with them and tell them, "Tell me why?"  And in the end they're like, "No, you're right.  If we want to go back, we'll go back for a couple of weeks, but we don't want to get fucked".  It takes time; it all takes time.

Peter McCormack: Oh, man, well listen, look, this has been amazing.  Everything I wanted to hear is making me think a lot and consider a lot, which is a good thing.  Okay, we're going to have to follow up because I need to go and think about some things; but, I definitely don't want to be stuck in these four walls for another six months to a year during this COVID bullshit; I want to do something else.

Alright, man, well listen, look, if people want to follow your story, where can they follow it?

Didi Taihuttu: We have everything like The Bitcoin Family.  So, it's on YouTube.com/thebitcoinfamily; our website is thebitcoinfamily.com; on Twitter, it's my name, @Diditaihuttu; so all these centralised social medias that we have, it's all The Bitcoin Family.  It's the most easy thing to find.  If you go to the website, thebitcoinfamily.com, we have all the links to all the social medias, so everything will be there.

I make daily videos on YouTube about Bitcoin blockchain, and live; so, it's not just charting, it's more about the blockchain and decentralisation of the world.  And, how we live; we have a weekly episode together with Gokhstein Media on Fridays that shows only our life, every week how we live life this week and just like a real-life soap; but then, also how we spend Bitcoin and how we educate people over here, so that's every Friday.  We have a lot of things going on.

I'm supporting a lot of projects at the moment, blockchain projects, but I'm not going to shill them in your show, but if they start to follow us, they will see --

Peter McCormack: Yeah, don't, man; Bitcoin only here, dude!  Well, I want to live the Bitcoin life 24/7.  All right, man.  Listen, Didi, I'm glad we're now linked up, I'm glad we're now friends.  I hope we'll get to hang out soon and discuss this further.  It's been everything I wanted and hoped talking to you.  Big love to your family, have a great Christmas and let's stay in touch, man.

Didi Taihuttu: Let's stay in touch.  Thank you very much to invite me on your show; it's an honour to be here, guy, and I hope we will see each other soon, man, and I'm looking forward to doing a Christmas barbecue, or after-Christmas barbecue here in the sun!

Peter McCormack: I'd love that, man.  Take care.

Didi Taihuttu: Cool, bye.