The Corruption of Power with Maajid Nawaz

 
 

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“The problem is that this idea that what we used to believe were inviolable, sacred rights, can be suspended because of an emergency then they’re not sacred, then they’re not inviolable, then they’re basically temporary and they’re not rights: they’re permissions.”
— Maajid Nawaz

SHOW DESCRIPTION

Maajid Nawaz is a UK-based counter-extremism activist, author and content producer. In this interview, we discuss his membership of a fundamentalist pan-Islam political group, imprisonment in Egypt, and returning to the UK to work on counter-extremism. We also discuss being forced to leave his position as a presenter on LBC.

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Maajid Nawaz experienced first-hand the rise of Islamic extremism through the 1990s. At the time terrorism was not viewed to be a major global issue: it was confined to specific pockets around the world or used by individuals expressing narrow ideological views. This was when Nawaz was a senior member of a political organisation pushing for the establishment of an Islamic caliphate.

Then 9/11 happened, which brought the threat of Islamic terrorism sharply into focus. Nawaz and like-minded people were now perceived to be the enemy by a growing political alliance. Nawaz was in Egypt, arriving a day before 9/11. He was picked up and imprisoned for 4 years in Egypt’s most notorious prison. He witnessed torture and was subject to a period in solitary confinement.

Following pressure from Amnesty amongst others, Nawaz was eventually released and returned to the UK. Rather than turn to thoughts of revenge, Nawaz sort to break the cycle of violence. He renounced his Islamist past and then co-founded a counter-extremist foundation. He ended up advising leaders around the world, including UK Prime Minister David Cameron and US President George Bush.

Nawaz is now a content producer seeking to cover a range of issues: politics, security and human rights, Jihadism, Nationalism, China's ill-treatment of Uighurs, and the Covid lockdowns. His dissenting views on the orthodoxy regarding vaccines led to him being forced to leave as a presenter on the talk radio station LBC and becoming an independent voice.

There is a certain clarity of thought that comes from having experienced at close quarters how the geo-political landscape has shifted and changed over the past two decades. Nawaz has clear ideas on how the world works, how institutions and systems behave, and why we must question the mainstream narrative. When all systems lean toward power, it is important for some to lean in the opposite direction.

TIMESTAMPS

00:01:09: Introductions
00:01:47: Hizb ut-Tahrir and a fatal stabbing
00:08:26: Growing up with racial tensions, and joining Hizb ut-Tahrir
00:17:01: Quitting Hizb ut-Tahrir
00:21:17: Prisoners of conscience
00:28:10: Changing beliefs and counterextremism
00:38:59: Intelligence agencies and the politicisation of counterextremism
00:45:39: The Uyghurs in China, and Hikvision cameras
00:49:15: All systems skew towards power and centralisation
00:53:18: Forgiveness on admitting to wrong judgement
01:00:05: The LBC story
01:18:20: Salman Rushdie
01:32:14: Final comments

 

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